Or use some vamps ah!! i know shocking isn't it?

Hmmm interesting, that's one way of putting it - it negates tracking issues with rails and give the boat some love. We'll have another math run at this after the week-end. Keep the constructive comments coming people.

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaainz

the gal drone ship i want to see

GALLENTE DESTROYER:

Ship bonuses:
+10% to drone damage and HP per level
+1 max active drone per level
Role bonus:
+50% small hybrid turret optimal range
Slot layout: 5H, 3 M, 4 L, 4 turrets
Fittings: 60 PWG, 150 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 800 / 850 / 950
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550 / 350s / 1.57s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 2.45 / 1800000 / 4.46s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 42km / 500 / 7
Sensor strength: 11 magnetometric
Signature radius: 72
Cargo capacity: 350

All I can think of is CCP Fozzie's quote about Veritas poisoning his coffee when I see suggestions that try to get around drone ship issues by just putting more drones on the field. That and curiosity over the reasoning behind solving drone DPS application issues by adding more unapplied drone DPS.

Just for the hell of it... some sample hull names.

Amarr: Oblate
Minmatar: Harpoon
Gallente: CetoCaca
Caldari: Skua

Giving the Gallente destroyer a possiblity of 10 drones is a bad idea, not due to server lag issues or anything wrong with fielding 10 light drones, but the fact that that will give you a 50 mbit 50 bay minimum, and thus the medium scout drones can be used.

This will take its intended role away (anti frigate platform)

As an alternative, i'm suggesting a role bonus change: Give it an increased warp disruptor range
Role bonus: 50% bonus to warp disruptor range

This will keep the gallente (drone) pilots happy and in line with its racials (although i do think you should consider dropping the mids to 2 the same as the amarr one then

Gallente Destroyer

5x Warrior II + 1x Drone Damage Amplifier II = 144 dps
5x Hobgoblin II + 1x Drone Damage Amplifier II = 177 dps
4x 125mm Railgun II with navy AM + 1x Mag Stab II = 151 dps at 10km

While I'm skeptical about drones as primary weapon system, this split weapon doesn't allow you to play your strengths. So if you're going to make a drone ship whose only purpose is dps, go all the way:


+10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
+10% drone speed and tracking per level
Role bonus: +50% drone damage per level.

This nets Hobgoblin II going 6.3 km/sec and doing 300 dps with 2x drone damage amps. Adjust highs as needed.

Wait, wait, wait. After the current DDAs, Rattlesnake, Domi Navy, Gila are some of - if not the best mission ships around short of the Machariel and Vargur. And you want to buff DDAs? Lol, faith in CCP lost.

Am I the only one who is happy with that stuff?
Only gal dessie would need a little buff and cal dessie more targeting range.

However, it seems like the Gallente destroyer might be the winner here, but I could be wrong v0v

Omnathious Deninard you're cute...

Also the Harpy has no tracking bonus and it's tracking can be abused if caught even with dual stasis webifiers. Although, this new destroyer will be doing alot more damage than a Harpy will in that situation, because of it's drones.

The Amarr destroyer may seem like a better drone boat at first glance (re: increased drone bay), but the Gallente one has the better weapons damage bonus.

I am looking forward the t2 versions tbh, t2 destroyers specialised in killing things would be nice ....

Update!

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Gallente:

Drone bandwidth increased to 35m3

Drone bay increased to 60m3

Turret number increased from 4 to 5

5% hybrid turret damage bonus per level changed for 10% hybrid turret tracking bonus per level

Role bonus changed from 50% hybrid turret optimal range to 25% MWD speed to drones

I like the changes; bandwidth does allow a few other utility drone options as others have pointed out.

2x Valks plus 3x Hobs may be viable especially if the target is scrammed and webbed. With the increase bay it allows you to at least keep this bigger flight as an option.

CPU is tight still.

You do realize that you are allowed to attack things other than frigs while in a dessie, right? No seriously, you can. And last I checked, medium drones do fairly well against cruiser targets and larger.

Flexibility. Yes the MWD bonus is not a useful up close but the heavier Drones are useful up close while the drone bay still gives the option to throw out a flight of lights to chase kiters. Don't get me wrong I would not turn down 15% drone damage bonus.




Did you treat it as a per level bonus? Just add a drone navi comp I, 25% speed bonus Hob gob travels around 5250m/s

Gallente destroyer:

Well, silly changes like this drone bandwidth thing and velocity increase, happens when you have terrible pilots making suggestions. Giving thier input on things they no next to nothing about. They should let thier FC come in this thread and comment for them. @tleast there would be less r3tarded suggestions.


Also, all drones work as intended. They hit what they're suppose too. Light drones hit frigates, medium drones hit cruisers and heavy drones hit battleships. What players are suggesting is that CCP make a large pulse laser (heavy drone) track and hit a frigate.

Wow, this is christmas ! And people still complain about the gallente destroyer ? Come on, if only with drone bonuses, it will only be a fat tristan. It NEED turrets to be better than the tristan. And now with more bandwidth, it's even better against larger targets !

I don't know how one can think of the gallente destroyer to be worse than before : same number of equivalent turrets, hob will be as fast as normal warriors (which is huge, if there is no problem of AI), and a tracking bonus for the turrets instead of range mean damage application with rails.

1.19^3 = 1,685
1.23^3 = 1,86

that's a lot more than 4%, but it's also without stacking penalties

The problem with not having hybrids bonused is then you get 5 autocannon turret drone machines that blap everything.

Okay, but for what? Dampners are useless against most frigates because the engagement range is so small as is, and they lock so fast. Unlike the Amarr version, the Gallente don't have a real useful ewar against frigates. Throw more neuts on it and turn it into another amarr destroyer?

The other issue with MWD speed is how drones apply damage. It doesn't matter if they can CATCH a MWD frigate because as soon as they switch out of their mwd mode, the frigate moves on, and the drones sit there, then switch back to MWD and never apply their dps.

THIS is one of the major problems and why drones are broken and largely crap as a secondary weapon system. They are unreliable DPS against certain targets, they are destroyable and unreplaceable, and easily manipulated by the target.

How useful is a system of missiles where you only get 5, they can be destroyed and easily outrun.

Also, why no drone implants?

That would be great and all, but that isn't what they are proposing <.<

The problem with higher optimal on the drones is it could push them out of smartbomb range.

This could essentially make smartbombs obsolete, or only effective by having a fleet member cross you in order to take out the drones on you.

That's not really a bad thing, but if you've got smartbombs on your own ship, then why would you need someone else to take out the drones around you?

Cheeky, Omnath, and Pink, not sure if you missed my post. But the mwd bonus in conjunction with an omnidirectional or even a drone scope rig might be a way to address the possible downside of the drone speed bonus. The drone speed increase though, if it does not cause a damage application problem that can't be overcome with the above, is in and of itself a welcome addition.

It could have gone either way though, either a speed bonus or a tracking/optimal bonus liek the tristan got. Both bonuses help address the drone damage application problems.

Was the target a fast moving tech I or tech II frig or destroyer though?

edit - the attempt to orbit problem?

I and may other players would prefer not to have yet another gallente drone ship limited to PVE



Misguided complain if I"m honest the drone bay and bw are fine the problem is the lack of focused role that would result in the ship becoming yet another PVE ship.

And if they have a web going on drone's target? or TP? Or both? Would it change significantly then?? Not being snide, I seriously don't know myself?


Its also a shame to see caldari lose a high slot to become on par with the race that specializes in projectiles. Sure they overlap a bit, but so do the cormorant and catalyst, and who has the higher hyb turrets slots there?

So, maybe the high slot for caldari should go back to 8, or minmitar swap a launcher slot or two with turrets.



CCP - don't forget! Destroyers should be something frigs fear!!! .... (and what cruisers laugh at... )

PS- Did I mention Peregrine for a Caldari destroyer name?? LOL

If you want something else then go talk to Fozzie.

Also, if CCP wanted to improve drone tracking. They could just reduce the base speed of drones. I mean if they're orbiting @ lower velocities they will track better. While maintain some ang/transversal against anything atempting to destroy them.

Thats only 50m3 of drones btw, in dps deployment myrm usually uses 2-2-1

Is that with bigger drones? I know that bigger drones have tracking penalty against smaller targets.

Use light to deal with frigates, Medium to deal with cruisers/battlecruisers, and so forth?

So getting off the Myrm EFT warrior's track as it's getting a bit pointless since the Myrm is a survivor of nerfs and also benefits from not having a split weapon system.

Focusing back on the destroyer, would it be fair to say that a split weapon system would make it a better or worse ship for PVP?

Is it better or worse for PVE?

Does it fulfil a needed role?

Is it heavily outclassed but other ships of the same size in PVE and PVP

I'm not sure how anyone really benefits from that. New Gallente players would be primarily spec'd towards hybrids and would have to crosstrain to get proficient in using another weapons. Considering the other things that would be better trained and the fact that the lack of a gun bonus doesn't give them a specific reason to train another type, they are effectively locked to hybrids. And veterans I doubt would be too likely to train Gallente for this ship alone, thus making it more likely they would have trained hybrids to take full advantage of the frigate lineup.

Yeah, exactly like the dominix or the vexor...
I would say myrmidon, but everyone will contest it using blasters for projectiles instead, avoiding the fact that it's the same in the end : turrets are not a negligible part of blaster boats.

Well ... the obvious choice since it has seven launcher points now is Hydra.